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Sound Suppression: * * * * Morpheus, le seigneur des rêves, a été emprisonné en 1916, par un groupe occulte. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. What you need are design plans, power point, talking points and a business plan and a convincing presentation. “This happens in tech every frakkin’ day. Honestly, while I used to be a bit of a suppression snob I’m coming down off that high horse. Steve Abbott (comedian) or The Sandman, Australian comedian Mariano Rivera (born 1969), Panamanian-American baseball player; Charles W. Sandman, Jr., Republican Congressman for New Jersey's 2nd district (1967–1975) and Republican candidate for Governor of New Jersey (1973) Homeboy Sandman, an American rapper; Mark Sandman, singer and co-founder of the band Morphine The Sandman-Ti is between the Sandman-S and Sandman-L in length, however sounds nearly identical to the Sandman-L. * This is the best performing and quietest 7.62 suppressor on the market. Not many ways that can fail, and that’s why SIG SAUER is using the same idea in their new line of cans. They are running $850-$980 at Silencer Shop, so the price isn’t that bad.. basically in the Omega/Saker/SDN-6 range. So yeah, if you ordered a Dead Air Sandman and were one of the first to get them, I probably assembled your can. None of these really sell at MSRP anyway. How’s that workin for you? The Sandman-L and the Sandman-Ti are very similar silencers, internally, but the Sandman-L possesses less internal volume due to the mandated use of a Keymount muzzle device, whereas the Sandman-Ti is a direct-thread silencer. *Accessories such as Key-Mo and E-Brake shown in images are not included. The final reason is the overall design. Feel free to use it on anything larger than 4". And they will work much better. I’m not saying that Dead Air Armament did this for their A/B testing, but since their suppressor comes with a muzzle brake, it’s within the realm of possibility. Well with that being said I’m gearing up to start making NFA Equipment. This is no knock on Dead Air or the Sandman-K. The larger surface area and precision machined parts interface together in exactly the same way each time, meaning any zero shift on the firearm will be repeatable — the can goes on the gun the exact same way in the exact same place every time. Low versus ultra GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB graphics setting FPS comparison for Dreamscapes: The Sandman on 1080p, 1440p & 4K resolutions PREVIOUSLY FIRED, BUT IN PERFECT WORKING AND COSEMTIC CONDITION. Et tu? The Nomad TI will offer slightly better suppression over the regular Nomad, but the L … Luckily I recently had a chance to visit the folks at Dead Air Armament and test all of their cans under their supervision. Using a two-stage taper lock the mount is pure engineering genius. Thanks for the review, Nick. I’m still trying to find exactly what the barrel length requirements are. This method of construction is nearly identical to the way most other major silencer companies do their cans. I think AWC still does if they’re approached. the price is very good as well. Connect with us on Facebookto get all our updates. Low versus ultra GeForce GTX 960 Ti 2GB graphics setting FPS comparison for Dreamscapes: The Sandman on 1080p, 1440p & 4K resolutions Form 4 approvals are taking approximately 5-12 months and Form 3 approvals are taking 5-21 days. We also take some comparison shots with the Sandman K. We also take some comparison shots with the Sandman K. Follow Us! And full auto/temperature limits. Ever defended a patent, let alone held one? report. The next question was whether a 5.56 endcap on a 7.62 silencer actually made any difference. Démarre sur les chapeaux de roue et ne laisse pas ton adversaire te distancer d'un pouce. Shortly thereafter, I Shanghai’ed Mike Pappas and Cade into being my guinea pigs for some testing. Thanks in advance , TACC . That’s the standard I used when I compared the Nomad L, Nomad 30, Dead Air Sandman-L, and SilencerCo Hybrid across .308 WIN, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Blackout. It is also compatible with the Sandman series front caps. Does the sound differ at all between the two of them? Once the tube is complete and the mount system attached, the silencer goes on a wire EDM machine to ensure that the bore is concentric and exactly the right size to prevent baffle strikes. The muzzle device has a tapered rear section that interfaces with a radius on the inside of the silencer, and provides not only accuracy but performance. Nikola Tesla, by contract, should have been the world’s first billionaire. When you twist the silencer in place, you’re screwing it down onto that radiused muzzle brake. Build Quality: * * * * * ‘Cept they ain’t here, save for me. The 7.62 Sandman series includes the Sandman-S, Sandman-L and the Sandman-Ti models. Good silencer design starts on the inside, so let’s take a peek at how these things are made. The real magic with the Sandman is the mounting system. I do agree that cans are extremely overpriced, and old tech. Will the Sandman-L or Sandman-S do this? This market is populated with complete morons who think carbs and pushrods are optimal. Listen carefully to Hickok45 right after he shoots to hear the audio compressor recover. As a preface, I just wanted to point out that this is not a typical TTAG review. The Sandman K utilizes the standard Dead Air Key Mount system, insuring compatibility with the same muzzle devices used for the Sandman L, Sandman S, and many SilencerCo suppressors using the Dead Air Key-Mo system. Forum Posts. The Nomad-30 comes in shorter & lighter than the Sandman Ti with the same industry leading suppression performance. 77% Upvoted. With its direct thread attachment and titanium tube it’s the perfect fit for your precision rifle, or even for dedicated use under your AR pattern rifle forend.The Ti has the class leading solid weld Stellite® baffle core and detachable front cap, just like the rest of our Sandman Series. Thread starter tgoff; Start date Oct 26, 2020; Oct 26, 2020 #1 T. tgoff Junior Member. There’s about half a note difference between the two, and while that’s definitely a result its not enough for me to plop an extra $150 on the table and add two more inches to my short rifle. However, even the A-weighting low-frequency roll-off might not be as helpful, since the “thud/blast” from hard-hitting rounds could be as damaging to your hearing as well. Dead Air Sandman-Ti : List Price: $849.00. That makes sense because the L version has a longer tube and thus a lower wavelength inside the tube. Overall Rating: * * * * $3 Signature Required Shipping Fee added to all firearms. The Sandman Ti™ is your huckleberry. The final silencer in the line up is the Sandman-TI, the TI is for titanium and has a titanium tube with Stellite baffles. SANDMAN-TI SPECS. Good write up but way out of my price range. When should you consider buying the Dead Air Sandman-S Suppressor? Joined: Nov 3, 2012 Messages: 378 Location: FL. The part about you having your hands on my can is a bit disconcerting, too. Each will be designed for one barrel length, one load, and one projectile. For those who prefer longer over shorter (in terms of silencers, of course), the Dead Air Armament Sandman-L is an optimal choice in the 7.62mm rifle category. 77% Upvoted. The Dead Air Sandman-Ti is the lighter, direct thread version of the Sandman-L. At 16.8 oz and 8.2 inches long, it is ideal for shooters who need the a lighter weight suppressor without sacrificing performance from a precision rifle. Unlike the 762-SDN-6 which has a tendency to throw some gas back in your face through the rear of the can, the Sandman series effectively seals the forward part so that there’s no gas leakage out the back. Many don't even bother to make the purchase, believing the juice isn't worth the squeeze for a tad (1-3dB) better performance. If you knew half as much about business as you do telling everyone how much of an awesome silencer designer you are, you would have already done it. . While every Sandman comes standard with a 7.62N front cap, they have options to purchase 6.5 and 5.56 endcaps through their website. The reduction in length is beneficial to shooters who wish to mount it on a short barrel rifle, keeping a more compact size with maximum performance. It pays to have someone who knows what they’re doing at the helm, and in the case of Dead Air Armament they might have the best shot of any of the new silencer companies at making a big splash. Il est, dans l'émission télévisée Bonne nuit les petits, l'employeur de Nounours. Closer views of the first peak of all shots (Fig 2a) and highest peak of the first shot (Fig 2b) are shown below. The Sandman-Ti, like all Dead Air's other products, features a lifetime warranty. Made and constructed from the same materials as the “S” version, the “L” is only 8.9 inches in length, but offers a true sound reduction of 31dB firing standard 7.62 ammunition. Instead he died not only broke, but in debt. Dead Air Armament is kicking into high-gear as I type, producing the first couple runs of silencers for civilian sales. Length: 6.8″ / 8.9″ ALL NFA RULES APPLY. This thread is archived. As long as the cost of prototyping remains what it is, this is what you’re gonna get. Get a prototype built and if its as good as you say, you will be a multi-millionaire overnight. El Mac, I’d have done it 2 or 3 years ago but I don’t have an extra ~$600K to do a start-up lying around at the moment. I was just curious how it would perform on this configuration. There are no “tricks” with this silencer, you just pop it on the end of your gun and crank it down. Ever heard of Dennis Ritchie? Obviously you have never done a start-up, run a business, or have any experience competing against larger companies who will just openly steal your ideas and then crush you in court because they can outspend you. Even so the Dead Air guys still make those claims (31 dB reduction on the Sandman L for 7.62 NATO), but I have neither the materials nor the training to judge that independently. The end result is a good can that will hold up well under use, and unless you’re looking for a featherweight silencer this is plenty good enough. Supressed Replies: 0 Views: 34 1/15/2021 7:55 PM B&T VP9 (now station six) available for order. Beyond that, the locking system is designed so that you can remove and replace your silencer a nearly infinite number of times and ever have to worry about wearing out a ratchet or not having it lock up properly. Something I’m leaning towards when I finally order one. This allows the user to tailor their suppressor to their specific needs as well as replace the endcap should a strike happen without having to send the suppressor off. At that time, MSRP jumps to $950) Who is it for: The buyer looking for a very specific kind of silencer. The Sandman-Ti also comes in at a very attractive price point and continues to be more cost-effective over multiple rifles as there is no need for the purchase of additional muzzle devices. What I do have is a bunch of cameras and some good audio recording equipment, so I leave it to y’all to judge for yourself.”. Of course, the Sandman-S at 6.8″ would perform better. At only 8.9 inches in length, the L is constructed from the same materials as the Sandman S while offering sound reduction of 31db firing 7.62 ammunition, making this the best performing and quietest 7.62 suppressor on the market. The Nomad-30 boasts a short overall length, lightweight and high efficiency baffle design. I have a 6.5 Creedmoore Savage bolt gun that I figured I could also use the Sandman TI on as well. So if your ratchet does ever wear out, you can just replace the whole thing and keep shooting. $3 Signature Required Shipping Fee added to all suppressors. 3 years ago. Manufacturer restrictions do not allow us to show you the price in the catalog or the product page. Was wondering exact same thing. The Passing Sandman, op. I like the way this company names their products and even their company itself. I have been running the crap out of mine, couldn't be happier. IF you are so good prove it. A rich blend of modern myth and dark fantasy in which contemporary fiction, historical drama and legend are seamlessly interwoven, The Sandman is also widely considered one of the most original and artistically ambitious series of the modern age. @16V, well get busy man. In Scandinavian folklore, he is said to sprinkle sand or dust on or into the eyes of children at night to bring on sleep and dreams. The first thing I wanted to know was whether that extra 2 inches made a huge difference in the sound reduction. Joined Oct 12, 2020 Messages 16. With its direct thread attachment and titanium tube it’s the perfect fit for your precision rifle, or even for dedicated use under your AR pattern rifle forend. I’m hardly the only one with this knowledge. Followers. Diameter: 1.5″ In this video, I compare the Sandman S and the Sandman L on a 300 AAC Blackout rifle. EVERY silencer manufacturer has a high MSRP. Sort by. Even Dean Kamen will tell you the same thing. Better have another 200K just sitting. MSRP: $1,049 / $1,199. That sharp delineation between the two areas is the effect of that friction-based seal. 20 comments. It may take a decade for the market to catch up, but the stuff sold today is a Chevy Citation against a concurrent MB. The difference is in the lengths, the “S” which is 6.8 inches long (top of the article”in the white”) and the the “L” which adds two more inches (above in the usual black). The versatility of a direct thread suppressor is often underrated, as it can be mounted if there is no immediate access to a muzzle device required for most quick disconnect silencers. The Sandmen are fully featured. I’m available to contribute for freelance, fyi . When you get your Sandman, you also get a proprietary muzzle brake specifically designed to work with the can. The QD-Mount is inevitably what sold me on a Sandman. Yes, this product does require a Federal-Firearm License and the payment of a Special Occupational Tax Stamp, which is the sole responsibility of the consumer. This happens in tech every frakkin’ day. The Sandman-L from Dead Air not only offers top-tier decibel reduction, but has one of the most elegant mounting systems on the market. Summary: Andrea Sandmann is 50 years old and was born on 06/25/1970. This suppressor is 6.8 inches long and 17.7 ounces, providing shooters a compact and maneuverable addition to their host firearm, with impressive performance on 300BLK, 5.56, and 7.62. Not enough to make it no longer hearing safe, but definitely noticeable. The Ti has the class leading solid weld Stellite® baffle core and detachable front cap, just like the rest of our Sandman Series. The Sandman Ti ™ is your huckleberry. Our price is lower than the manufacturer's "minimum advertised price." New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Sandman S vs Sandman L - at the shooter’s ear (without earpro) is the difference noticeable? I’ve got no complaints about the quality of their product. Between your “good audio recording equipment” (not that I know what it is), your recorder, video editing, and youtube, it narrows the scope of how well you can appreciate the differences. Here at TTAG we usually reserve judgment until we’ve put a couple hundred rounds through something and tried it out in different conditions. More competition with mounts that work is a good thing. Similar to its smaller brethren—S, K, and TI models—the Sandman-L is a versatile an Sig just set theirs to match street price. Your email address will not be published. Until then, I’ll simply drool…. what is the minimal barrel length for 7.62 nato ? The QD mount isn’t very well designed, in my opinion. The Sandman Ti™ is your huckleberry. When comparing it to the Sandman-L, the base weight is not only less, but since it is direct thread it offers another few ounces of total weight savings over the Sandman-L, as there is no muzzle device involved. Like you mentioned above, don’t care too much about db’s beyond hearing safe, but a shoddy mount will be a non-starter for me. I know the Sandman L and the Ti have the same baffle stack. You can opt out at any time, and we'll never sell your info. The gun ships with a 7.62 sized hole in the front end, but for those running a 5.56 gun you can get a 5.56 sized endcap as well for some added sound reduction. The Sandman-L and the Sandman-Ti are very similar silencers, internally, but the Sandman-L possesses less internal volume due to the mandated use of a Keymount muzzle device, whereas the Sandman-Ti is a direct-thread silencer. I found the Sandman to be most comparable to the L, and the Hybrid landed somewhere closer to the Nomad 30. For the shooter looking for “The One Silencer to Silence Them All,” there might be cheaper or better options on the market. Other than that, not really sure. The Sandman-L is ideal for a tactical bolt rifle or a .308 AR. The Sandman-Ti is between the Sandman-S and Sandman-L in length, however sounds nearly identical to the Sandman-L. I see length I see cost I see weight. ), which skewed the results somewhat. With a one-hand off, one-hand on mounting system, the Sandman-L is able to quickly be installed under a handguard if more rail space or a integral look is desired. 300 Blackout (Supersonic) Shooting this caliber in the AR-15 SBR platform was the least comfortable of the three calibers I tested. Please, learn to read the news. Personally, I’m a fan. The silencer you see here is one that they literally grabbed off the production line so we could test it out, and I just liked the way it looked. Spend 50-100K to crank out the proto. * Dead Air Armament makes four “Sandman” suppressors: the “L,” “S,” “K,” and “Ti.” They’re all .30 caliber cans, with all of them but mine using a QD mount system, a Stellite™ baffle core, and a stainless steel tube. I have to chime in here. BTDTGTTAIF. The petal design for the locking lugs is cool and everything, but it doesn’t appear to be very solid. The Sandman is a traditional character in many children's stories and books. You just can’t beat physics. Barrel Length: No Restrictions: Questions on How To Buy A Suppressor (Silencer) – Read More. hide. Sandman-L. A well educated 14 year old can come on a comment line and make grand statements of the all knowing google. Rating: Multi – Up to .300 Win Mag: Length: 8.2″ Weight: 16.8oz: Diameter: 1.5″ Finish: Cerakote body: Min. “The part about you having your hands on my can is a bit disconcerting, too.”, Indeed. It is also compatible with the Sandman series front caps. I want to chop the barrel on Scar 17 to 13″ and want a top notch suppressor for this application. Alternate front caps are available to further reduce flash, assist in decibel reduction, or simply replace a lost or damage part. But if you just need a really good and good looking .308 can, this is definitely worth a look. You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. Wiki Points. But everything else looks the same as a universal suppressor. Prototyping costs very little more than manufacturing, when you have the right tools. I got to see and shoot these with Cade at the QRF Earth Day Suppressor Shoot Saturday, have to say I was impressed by everything about it. The Sandman Ti ™ is your huckleberry. “Obviously you have never done a start-up, run a business, or have any experience competing against larger companies who will just openly steal your ideas and then crush you in court because they can outspend you.”. I am on the verge of breaking down and getting a can within the next year and a Saker 7.62 among was on the shortlist, very keen to hear where it failed for you. The Nomad TI will offer slightly better suppression over the regular Nomad, but the L … The Sandman Ti™ is your huckleberry. The Sandman-S was noticeably louder than the Sandman-L on the .308 AR but still eliminated enough of the sound and recoil to make for a pleasurable shoot. I’m sure you haven’t, or you’d know better. For those who prefer longer over shorter (in terms of silencers, of course), the Dead Air Armament Sandman-L is an optimal choice in the 7.62mm rifle category. I abuse the heck out of my silencers, so they need to be able to hold up to whatever I throw at them. But it disrupted some folks with more money to spend and it went “poof”, along with tens of MMs. I do agree with Nick’s assessment that there’s a full-step of fundamental “note” difference between the short and the long. Current silencers are still much akin to carburetors – no matter how high tech you make them, they’re just not very good at the intended purpose. Weight: 02 lbs: Shipping Info. The diameter of the Sandman family of suppressors are 1.5". The Nomad 30 was louder and less comfortable to shoot than the L and the Sandman. The mount is keyed so that it only ever goes on the gun one way, and even taking apart the mount itself is so easy you really don’t need a manual. Defending them? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. So you aren’t an SOT . Then I learned a couple things. 16V again if you are such the great can designer why not get in with one of the established companies as their lead designer. Not only are they leveraging the engineering knowledge of Bergara Rifles to make their stuff, they’ve got Mike Pappas (formerly) of SilencerCo fame keeping them on the straight and narrow. I look forward to the day when you can go to the local gun shop (or WalMart) and buy one of these babies without filling out forms, paying for a tax stamp, waiting months for approval, and getting on yet another government list or database. Same old same old. level 1. User Lists: 0 #1 Edited By zenpaktoe82. That are low tech overpriced, over rated shit. You need investors with $600k. The Sandman series comes in two flavors. Be it on a fully automatic rifle, extremely sort barrel, or high pressure cartridge, the Sandman-Ti is tough enough to handle it. At 8.2" and 17oz this this is the ticket if you don't need a quick attach since this is a direct thread only. It’s just marketing. hide. Qty: Description For those demanding ultimate silence from a precision rifle suppressor the Sandman Ti is your huckleberry. Tout sur la série Sandman (Urban Comics) : Ré-édition de 'Sandman (Absolute) - Vertigo'. For me, I really like it. Yeah Im still not sure what an end cap is worth? The Sandman-Ti has a number of benefits and strengths that may not be apparent at first glance. Then you have to tack on the additional 200$ and PITA that is the NFA system i don’t see why this is going to sell any better than SIGs line. There really wasn’t another QD (quick-detach) silencer that had all these features. Any experience or info would be appreciated, Or if there is a better idea on a supressor out there enlighten me please. The suppressor also incorporates additional features that make it very appealing for use on multiple platforms. Closer views of the first peak of all shots (Fig 2a) and highest peak of the first shot (Fig 2b) are shown below. The Sandman Ti provides the sound reduction of the Sandman L but, thanks to the lack of a QD mount system, it’s both shorter and lighter (in fact, it’s almost 2 ounces lighter than the shorter “S”). save. For those demanding absolute performance the Sandman-L™ delivers. The Omega is 2 ounces lighter than the S, has more mounting options, and comes from a well known company, but the Sandman series is full auto rated and can be safely used on much shorter barrel lengths. And I’ll be buying one when it hits the shelves over at Silencer Shop. They have one more trick up their sleeves though in the guise of a replaceable end cap. But while the basic design is simple enough making something that works, works well, and works well every single time is a challenge. The only thing worse than your ego are your assumptions. Sometimes Andrea goes by various nicknames including Andrea L Starr, Andrea S Sandman, Andrea S Sandmann, Andrea L Sandman and Andrea Sandman. So pick your favorite logo take your designs to them and make me eat crow. At only 8.9 inches in length, the L is constructed from the same materials as the Sandman S while offering sound reduction of 31db firing 7.62 ammunition, making this the best performing …

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